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Post by Apollo on Dec 22, 2005 16:00:21 GMT 1
Can anyone recomend a good drum mic kit? As I've had enough of my Samson mic's I can spend about £1k at most I've been looking at this Audix kit? (DP3)  |
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Post by j on Dec 22, 2005 17:39:59 GMT 1
get your self a
sm91 (inside kick)
beta52 (outside Kick)
Beta 57 or 56 (top snare)
sm 57 or beta56 (bottom snare)
sm 81 or AKG C391B SE300B & CK91 (High Hat)
E604 or beta56 on the toms
sm 81 or AKG C391B SE300B & CK91 (overheads)
thats what i use and you can get that for a resonable price, but if you can spend a bit more there are better tom mics but its personal prefrence
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Post by Apollo on Dec 22, 2005 18:54:14 GMT 1
You like Shure then? lol. I've got a very nice wireless Shure mic, brought it with my EMA £. I brought it back from America last year - Apparently I need a licence to use it over here, but oh well... What nobody knows cant hurt them  I can never really be bothered to mic the bottom of a snare.. I was always told it was more a studio method of miking a snare? I admit it has a really nice "snap" to it if you do it right, its just me being lazy I guess |
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Post by j on Dec 23, 2005 2:50:34 GMT 1
well (when you mic the snare you got to put it out of phase)i mic the bottom than add a plat reverb only to the bottom, once i add the top i get a good snare sound works really well live and micing the bottom isn't that uncommon. as for shure its what i use on the kick and snare the rest is prettey much sennheiser or akg
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Post by Loud Events on Dec 23, 2005 4:08:51 GMT 1
I Use the Audix D series on the kit and they are great. D6 for kick, D4 for Floor Tom, D2 for Rack Toms D1 or SM57 for snare top and SM57 for snare bottom. On the hat I currently use an SM81, but thinking of getting the Audix ADX51 and giving that a try! Overheads, I use Audio-Technica AT4033a's. That little lot will set you back well over £1.5K. The D6 is one of the best kick mics I've used and it has won praise from many circles. Dan www.loudevents.com |
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Post by j on Dec 23, 2005 4:38:06 GMT 1
also the ev N/D468 are grate sounding on a snare and toms also the sm 77
i like my sm91 and sm77 vintage mics seem to last and sound grate
this could go on forever
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Post by Apollo on Dec 23, 2005 10:46:24 GMT 1
well (when you mic the snare you got to put it out of phase)i mic the bottom than add a plat reverb only to the bottom, once i add the top i get a good snare sound works really well live and micing the bottom isn't that uncommon. as for shure its what i use on the kick and snare the rest is prettey much sennheiser or akg I'll try that tonight then - I have heard of people doing it but none of the ones I go to do. I saw the techies do Gas's drum kit at all the HIM gig's i've been too. That drummer has 3 kick drums, 2 snares, 3 floor toms, 4 racked toms, 3 rides, 6 crash, 3 splash, 2 hi-hats and some HUGE! japanese drum suspended to the right of him. If ever I've been to a gig where the drum kit sounds perfect it would be a HIM gig. |
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Post by soundmanjim on Dec 23, 2005 16:02:22 GMT 1
i'll bet you any money he uses triggers.
actually a lot easier to work with - a goth/metal band that plays regular at our place 'the furious horde' use triggers on this massive drumkit; and it sounds fine; and only 2 channels of di to worry about!! leaving me to mike the support bands drums seperately. triggers can sound a bit false sometimes though; and of course you lose control of the seperate drum sounds on the desk; but good coimmunication with the drummer through his wedge should solve that. (heh! also means you can crank the drum triggers in his wedge and you dont get no feedback!!)
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Post by Apollo on Dec 25, 2005 2:23:37 GMT 1
Haha, jim, just seen Fat Surfers equipment list, youve got all the behringer stuff I have. **great budgets think alike**
I got some nice equpiment from my dad for chrimbo - the pleasures of still being young! lol
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Post by soundmanjim on Dec 25, 2005 4:19:37 GMT 1
pictures please! happy christmas mate
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Post by Alex Barrett on Dec 29, 2005 7:29:22 GMT 1
U cant go wrong with a set of 604's, they are very durable, have a nice warm sound (though sometimes i find i cant quite get the click i would like in toms) There are a cracking set of condensors called Se Electronic, there really cheap but sound great, there really sensitive and have a really nice transparent top end, ive even used them on violins, cellos, and an acousitic that had a nasty pickup which sounded like an electric through a bad peavy (se gave it a nice sparkle).
Regarding the sm91, ive never been a huge fan, while they produce a nice pokey kik drum sound with a sharp attack, the bottom end always disapointed me, pretty much sounded the same in every drum i heard it. To be honest the beta52 in a nicely tuned kik through decent subs really does the justice. A little more time is required to get mic position in the 'sweet spot' Not as much clik as the 91, but ive had some pretty snappy kik sounds out of it for metal bands.
I very rarely use a snare bottom mic, never liked the sound of it, if u do use one, dont feel u have to pull it out of phase. Just like alot of aspects of live sound, theres not really a right or wrong way. Phase is a very usefull tool (while not desirable for recording, ive had some weird stuff goingon in a recording with vocals out of fase).
For a snare, im kinda oldschool, standard 57 almost parralel to the skin pointing to the area being hit. nice reverb (plate, hall or sometimes an oldschool dep 3 plate)
Overheads - Do u really need them. How big is the stage, how many other live mics, how loud is the drummer, how loud is the singer (higher gain, more cymbal splash in vocal mics). More often than not, i see the over heads out of the mix, even the hi hat channel, and still have more cymbals than i would like. But i would either use the good old se electronics, or a large diaphram akg
Ive heard that audix kit before, they are very good, the tom mics are great, the kik is very nice, however i find the condensors very disapointing, an engineer let me use the set as it was the same kit for all bands one night, but i had to change the condensors. The audix set wouldnt do u any wrongs, maybe get a beta52 aswell (which is sometimes nice on a bass amp) Just stay away from the akg d112 kik mic (horrid)
57a is one of my most hated sure mics, ive always thought it had something missing in the low mid, which made it sound a bit hollow and a bit honkey, very harsh with some singers. Its handy for drum vocals just because its more directional.
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Post by Wadada on Jan 28, 2006 21:36:58 GMT 1
The best mic to kick you kick :e 602 Evolution dynamic Microphone The e 602 is a cardioid microphone especially suitable for use with bass drums . This is the best  |
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Post by soundmanjim on Jan 31, 2006 4:42:14 GMT 1
as we said its personal pref BUT MINE SOUNDS LOVELY!! (E602)
wouldnt mind trying out a beta 52 tho.
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Post by andy on Feb 9, 2006 13:06:50 GMT 1
Kick - Beta 52
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Post by andy on Feb 9, 2006 13:09:41 GMT 1
Kick - Beta 52 and sometimes SM91
SN top - 57
SN bott - 57 or Beta 57
Hat - SE elctronics cond
Tom - Sennheiser e604s
OH - Audio-Technica AT4033
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