hi do any of you guys use the LED Parcans yet i know there getting up to the par 64 size now, can you link the power on them and how many DMX channels do they take. does anyone think there anygood for the price?
LED Par 64 parcan, a powerful LED source housed in a conventional Par 64 short nosed par can. The LED par 64 is ideal for use in Nightclubs, Stage, architectural lighting & concert use.
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I have not used these myself, but was considering it, mainly to reduce power consumption, as I use 20 conventional PAR56. A guest, may have been using the smaller PAR36 versions, but even so, I wouldn't have thought the LED PAR64 units could match the light output of the normal lamps. John
Last Edit: Jan 19, 2006 9:47:25 GMT 1 by John Bell
Post by soundmanjim on Sept 20, 2007 14:16:28 GMT 1
so far on my tour with scroobius pip ive seen quite a bit of led lighting, and although it can be a bit hard on the eyes, it certainly helps in the ambient temperature of the venue they are in - for example, EVOL in Liverpool has LOADS of LED luminaries and i was very impressed with the colours and intensity. They were mainly Par36 lamps but were fiercely bright!
Jim Henderson Sound Engineer, tourbus driver/repairer, amp lugger, cyclist and beer tester.
Hi, I'm new to this forum and also primarily a noise boy, I do get involved with lighting.
I have used the Showtec LED PAR 64s' and 56s'. Other posters are right in saying that they are not as bright as conventionals and as such should not be considered as direct replacements. BUT, with the flexiability of DMX, from your fixtures you now have colour mixing capabilities that you can't do with normal PAR's.
Another "issue" with them only really shows when you video them, there is quite a noticable flicker, especially as they dim. I'm not sure if this is just a problem with this make, or if others suffer from the same problem.
In answer to your questions; DMX channels used? seems to be between 4 and 6 dependant on make and features.
Power used? Well the Showtecs draw 15 watts max, so in theory you can daisychain nearly 200 off one 13amp socket. (PLEASE - I am not saying you should).
You can see a mixture of LED PAR 64 and 56 here in these pictures.
Im hoping by next year, once I have my amps, mid-tops, more mics, and A&H ZED 28ch desk (breath!!!!) lol I might look look into the LED cans.
I supplied the lighting for a piano reciatal at a church the other week and from 6 1000watt lamps (4x 64's & 2 green strand thingys) I pulled 25amp and then another 2 on some little lamps so 27AMP!!! lol. That makes me a bit caucious, I wouldnt usually do that but I had a whole 32 amp circuit with RCD's to myself.
I just borrowed those lamps from a theatre getting refubished.
I am gonng to get myself about 12 150w floods and add gel frames and a few 500's for blinder effect or whatever. costing about £40 in total! For someone of 16 I have to watch my pennys.
I have just ordered and received 2x STAIRVILLE LED PAR 56 par cans from THOMANN. They are the 153 LED, 20w type, that have on-board auto controls as well as DMX in/out. (item 193247). They are only 36 Euros each, so I thought I would see how good they were, before trying out the bigger/newer, much more expensive versions. I am hoping to be able to gradually replace my power hungry/face cooking halogens with more environmentally friendly, long life units and get a small lighting desk and not have to use dimmer racks. I thought that these might be OK for close floods and the bigger/next generation one's OK for longer throw.
If they are not suitable, I am sure my old mate Elliott (Joe thingyer) Tuffin, will love them for his solo artist thingyer gigs. He is constantly trashing his halogen floor par cans.
Sorry about the overzealous naughty word blocker. I am sure the great man from Sheffield would have a laugh, with a little help from his friends. John.
I have had a play with the LED PAR 56's and they are great at short distances. They have a completely uniform spot projection, (unlike halogens), good colours, but not as powerful.
The gubbins is housed in a standard good quality short PAR56 can and they perform very well on auto-fade as self contained units. These will be great for lighting up my drum kit at smaller gigs.
I have now ordered 2x STAIRVILLE LED PAR64 1W PRO BLACK LONG (item 204046). These have 36x 1W high output LED's. They are considerably more expensive at 149 Euros each, but will last a very long time. They have similar self contained & DMX features as the PAR56's
These should be good enough for firing across the front of the stage, when mounted on the short poles of my 2.4kw FOH cabs at smaller gigs.
So now instead of hauling my 2x NJD Quartets, 2x PAR56 profi-spots, spare lamps and my 6U Ryger rack and miles of Bulgin cables, to small gigs, I can just clamp these on, plug them into the mains and let them go. My band will be very happy.
If all goes well with these 4 units, I will probably purchase more and also get the STAIRVILLE DMX-MASTER 1, 19" controller, case and DMX cable drum that THOMANN recommends.
I feel greener already. John
Last Edit: Aug 14, 2008 19:42:59 GMT 1 by John Bell
We bought 1 of these to try out - same conclusion as you - fine over short distances - my son uses it on his drum kit and as an overhead on chase when he DJs.
Would like to hear how you get on with the bigger LED cans - my mate has been on a Philips training course with the wholesaler he works for and claims it is the way to go - he is already replacing his disco lights with LEDs.
The Par64's were delivered this morning and I had just enough time to try one out. (Thomann are very reliable for fast deliveries).
Much more powerful and serious projection. These will definitely be OK for lighting up the front line of the stage from the sides.
When you stand in the line of fire, you feel the power but no searing heat.
They have more flexible DMX facilities than the smaller PAR56's and have more control over stand alone modes.
I will try them out with music this week-end, to see how flexible the sensitivity is with varying levels of sound, in stand alone mode.
I am hoping that, unlike auto-level sound activated units, that respond to conversation and background noise when the music is off and get saturated when it's loud, these can be adjusted to ignore background levels and respond evenly to the dynamics of the performance.
They will also work in master/slave modes, so they can control the PAR56's and each other if required. John.
I have 2 trees of the PAR 56 cans with a couple of moving heads for emergencies when an organizer brings me in to do sound, and completely forgets about lights. (sadly this happens probably about 4 times a year) its great not having to worry about power requirements as quite a few places don't have 32a plugs, or even 16a plugs on smaller gigs. i'm so happy about just being able to use a 13a plug for the whole lighting rig. Especially on generator gigs too
After rigging all 6 of my new Stairville LED PAR cans onto a modified lighting stand and programming some scenes and chases into the Stairville DMX-Master 1 desk, I took the stand out into my "beer garden" after dark, to see what they were capable of.
It looked like a theatrical stage set and I was particularly impressed by the output of the PAR64's.
All of the the cans do flicker a bit on some slower fade settings, but still impressive. Now ready for the real test, live on stage.
They do make weird back-ground noises though, like they had small fans or disk-drives in them. I had expected them to be totally silent, unlike my NJD Quartets, with their big temperature controlled vari-speed fans. John.
Last Edit: Aug 29, 2008 10:01:56 GMT 1 by John Bell