mick
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Post by mick on Oct 13, 2005 11:01:38 GMT 1
Do I need to use a di box for every instrument that I plug into the desk, I know mics are fine but what about guitar amp di outs is it ok to go straight into the desk from them do they have to go into the line in on jack or ok with xlr input.The same goes for keyboards can I go straight into the desk. Thanks for your help
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Post by mic mk on Oct 13, 2005 19:50:37 GMT 1
Hmmm
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Post by Audient & LA Audio on Oct 14, 2005 10:33:42 GMT 1
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Post by soundmanjim on Oct 16, 2005 2:14:22 GMT 1
behringer (i know, everyone groans) do a really cracking Guitar DI which i have used on many an occasion on transistor guitar amps; has a fab little '4x12 emulation' button. No it really works!! sounds rbbish on a valve amp tho. info ; www.behringer.com/GI100/index.cfm?lang=ENGgreat fun. i have in the past plugged keyboards straight into the desk AS LONG AS ITS NOT TOO LONG A RUN; if the desk is on the stage with the band its not too bad; its all about hum and balanced lines blah blah; bottom line: you can di keyboards, samplers, drum triggers, guitars , basses , acoustic guitars. obviously you cant di a drumkit unless they have triggers or some fancy gadget; me personally; i like to di bass amps BUT i do have a mike just in case i cant get a good sound; Mike a guitar cab because they sound awful otherwise (never plug 'em straight in to the desk) unless you are using the behringer gadget i mentioned earlier; there are lots of books on that subject, but rule of thumb, place the mike halfway between the centre and the edge, but your ear will be the best judge) mike drums di keyboards di acoustic guitars but sometimes a nice condenser mike sounds better near the soundhole (not pointing straight in it, otherwise whooooooom! di electronic drums. if you are going to do a lot of DI work, buy good quality ACTIVE di's if you can. good luck!
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Post by SoundengineerUK on Oct 28, 2005 1:22:29 GMT 1
personallyi have never DI'd any thing apart from guitars and i wouldn't bother its all more equipment that can go wrong and being on the road thats the last thing i want or need!!!
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Post by soundmanjim on Oct 28, 2005 14:07:10 GMT 1
Hayseed Dixie didnt bring any amps when they played here, all they had was sm57 beta's and their own di boxes; not an amp in sight. and what an amazing sound was achieved! So if it was up to me, less di's but a lot of 'pro' bands want a lot of the flippin' things!
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Post by bootlegger79 on Nov 1, 2005 14:11:29 GMT 1
I wouldn't DI anything really except synths probably. I think that when you use the right amp and mic you can achieve a much better sound.
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Post by soundmanjim on Nov 1, 2005 20:04:05 GMT 1
depends where u are. if your in a venue that makes feedback worse sometimes its the only way to go. Yes, nice mike ona nice amp; bliss. actually just got a new sm57beta delievered today, cant wait to try it out friday!
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Post by bootlegger79 on Nov 2, 2005 16:09:16 GMT 1
Oh yeah you need a good room obviously but the right mic and the right room are better than using outboard sometimes. Especially with band recording. I find you get a little more coherence
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Post by POOOOO on Nov 6, 2005 15:39:09 GMT 1
I never di guitars unless some idiot turns up with a silly digital effects box or laptop and no amp. di the bass always and of course the synths anything that doesn't come with an amp really (excluding the bass, di that anyway)
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Post by soundmanjim on Nov 6, 2005 20:40:19 GMT 1
i think this thread is going to run and run!!! (Hargh!) its certainly very ACTIVE but then im a PASSIVE person myself, D.I. get into bother? No. (snorf)
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Post by TheBeatBoxer on Nov 15, 2005 13:58:51 GMT 1
behringer (i know, everyone groans) do a really cracking Guitar DI which i have used on many an occasion on transistor guitar amps; has a fab little '4x12 emulation' button. No it really works!! sounds rbbish on a valve amp tho. info ; www.behringer.com/GI100/index.cfm?lang=ENGgreat fun. i have in the past plugged keyboards straight into the desk AS LONG AS ITS NOT TOO LONG A RUN; if the desk is on the stage with the band its not too bad; its all about hum and balanced lines blah blah; bottom line: you can di keyboards, samplers, drum triggers, guitars , basses , acoustic guitars. obviously you cant di a drumkit unless they have triggers or some fancy gadget; me personally; i like to di bass amps BUT i do have a mike just in case i cant get a good sound; Mike a guitar cab because they sound awful otherwise (never plug 'em straight in to the desk) unless you are using the behringer gadget i mentioned earlier; there are lots of books on that subject, but rule of thumb, place the mike halfway between the centre and the edge, but your ear will be the best judge) mike drums di keyboards di acoustic guitars but sometimes a nice condenser mike sounds better near the soundhole (not pointing straight in it, otherwise whooooooom! di electronic drums. if you are going to do a lot of DI work, buy good quality ACTIVE di's if you can. good luck! Hey there is nothing wrong with behringer...i was at a Prodigy concert last december and the sound engineers used alot of there gear in the setup.......it all sounded good to me. You have to think like this...... Puma can just be as comfy on the feet than Nike... lol Just because something is cheaper doesnt mean its performance is gonna be lower than the bigger guys.
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Simon Ryder
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Post by Simon Ryder on Nov 18, 2005 13:49:42 GMT 1
You will find Behringer gear used in a lot of systems for one reason. It is cheap! It can often be unreliable with poor service - like having to wait a couple of months for a replacement. All very well unless you earn your living using that item. The other problem is noise. Behringer units are not the quitest, of course in a large soundsystem cruising at >100dB for the Prodigy you are not going to notice the hiss. However if you are doing something more delicate such as jazz or classical, that hiss is going to drive you mad. Their gates tend to be clicky, their comps are just plain harsh and their digital console hisses like a steam train. (All real world experience) This is not to say that Behringer don't have their place, they do... It means you can add four channels of gate to your rack for less than £80. It s better to have Behringer than nothing. However, as soon as you can, you would do well to get yourself a good Drawmer/BSS/Aphex/Presonus/Rane/K T/Insert other well reputed brand here. As for their DIs I find them very noisy compared to most others. I am a big fan of BSS and EMO but the price difference is significant. In the mid bracket, I get good results with MTR active DIs and in the cheap end of the market, try the Studiospares own brand active DI at <£30, It is obviously modeled on the BSS and has a very low noise signature. Haven't had a chance to A/B it with a BSS yet but will do so when I get the chance. As for a good recomendation on Compressors, try the DBX 266. Head and shoulders above Behringer and Samson in build and sound quality and yours for only £100 if you go to Turnkey. Just bought three of them and am very happy. Simon
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Post by soundmanjim on Nov 18, 2005 14:32:22 GMT 1
your not wrong about the hiss! ive got limiters in the foldback lines made by behringer and when i was doing Fairport Convention the other day i thought i had an army of vipers on stage!!! took the limiter out; no hiss. and when you have a few of them in line; you really notice it. defo looking for some more up market gear for the outboard now; i think i'm at the stage where i'd like to get nice clean non hissy rack stuff. i'd like a t-l audio mike pre too. lovely valves.
ps Mr Braviner; you made our system sound fantastic! i will be copying the eq curve for future referance!!!
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Post by John Bell on Nov 18, 2005 16:27:57 GMT 1
I can also recommend the DBX 266XL compressors. I use them in my outboard rack. So easy to set up and you don't notice them working hard.
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