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Post by Apollo on Mar 3, 2006 15:22:15 GMT 1
not sure if that too expensive for you?
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Post by John Bell on Mar 3, 2006 15:31:09 GMT 1
Hi Josh, It is a bit. I won't be using it for anything other than recording & mixing live music, so software bundles and all singing & dancing accessories are a waste for me. The IMAC is about £1400. Gary Maguire has an earlier model and it seems to be OK for him, although it is big to have next to the live mixer.
I will look at the DEL website & see if I can get it cheaper by having less upgrades/additions.
Thanks for helping, John
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Post by Mark on Mar 3, 2006 21:32:16 GMT 1
Hi guys, im thinking of practising live recordings using just the f.o.h mix and some audience mikes into a spereate small desk maybe adding some compression into a laptop, what mikes would you recomend me using to get the full sound spectrum and where should i position the mikes in the auditorium or next to the speakers, also i need a interface box from my desk to the p.c some ppl have recomened a pro tools box for £300 is there anything i can use? i know its not ideal recording a live sound just relying on mikes i should take each channel of the stage box and use it as a monitor desk for the recording but i haven;t got the standard recording equipment. any infor whould be great Thanks Mark
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Post by John Bell on Mar 6, 2006 10:24:43 GMT 1
Hi Mark, If the FOH mixer has group sends/sub outs, you could use these to feed the interface unit with line level signals. If you are going to use mics for the audience, I used to use a couple of AKG C100S's, keeping their pick-up pattern well away from the PA speakers. I have found that when using multiple vocal mics, without gating, in small and medium sized venues, they pick up enough audience anyway. Have a look at Gary Maguire's live sound gear. I have pasted it into the next reply.
John
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Post by John Bell on Mar 6, 2006 10:29:58 GMT 1
This is a list of the equipment that Gary Maguire used,to record my band STOLEN, live at the Black Horse, Iver Heath.
- Imac 2gHz - Audiotrack software (as it can record more than 1 hour of multitrack) - Mixed on Logic Audio pro 7 - MOTU 896HD - Focusright Octopre (8x channel interface unit) - Akg Drum mics (d112, 4 x c418) - 2 x Cad GX1200 (overheads) - 2 x sm57 ( on lead & rhythm combos) - DI straight out of the Trace Elliot bass combo DI O/P - 2 x Beta 58 (vocals) (part of my PA) - Sure headset-mic (drummer vocals) (part of my PA) - 3 x Art Passive splitters (used for the 3 vocal mics) My Premier drum kit also had my Beta 52 kick mic inside and 1 x AKG c1000s overhead, through the PA.
John
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Post by Gary M on Mar 7, 2006 16:10:28 GMT 1
Ok let me clear a few things up that have been said in this thread previously.
---------------------------------------------------------------- The Imac is crap and is only good for photoshop ---------------------------------------------------------------- This is the worst statement i have ever heard from someone who clearly has no experience with them. I have had a p4 laptop, i currently have a dual 2ghz powermac and a g5 Imac that i record live with and use for djing. I have never ever had a crash out of it in the 1 - 2 years i have had it. I run Logic pro 7 with compression, gates & eq on every channel (running 24 channels) 4 reverbs including 2 space designers and dont have a glitch out thing. I recorded johns stolen night (16 channels recording) which was over 3 hours long (as he will back me up) and not a glitch off the thing. this was all done using the internal hard drive.
------------------------------------------------------------ They'll never do what you want them too. ------------------------------------------------------------
Umm I want mine to record for 3 hours, i arm the tracks i press record, it does it. I want to mix them tracks after using logic, I plug in my mackie control i mix.
elaborate more on this.
---------------------------------------------------------- Dell is the only option he'd use ----------------------------------------------------------
No disrespect to dell computers but for the price you would be far better looking at a laptop that is designed for audio use not webdesign, creation and collectiong emails.
I think this is a case of a mac Hater. I am both pc and mac friendly. I have 2 macs at the moment but had many pc's for 10 years before that. I would personalyy go mac but you pay a price. Why? because there seems to be less that can goe wrong with a product that has all the components from the one manufacturer. when Mackie make drivers etc.. they mac it for all mac setups, this is imposible with pc's as the is so many combinations of suppliers. Macs take getting used to, but when you do they are great. If you are getting a pc go for a cenrino opt for 1 gig of ram (from crucial, its the cheapest) the slower hard disk is not so much an issue as they tend to have more efficent transfer now alowing more data i/o.
your 16 channels (24bit, 44.1k) is gonna use the following:
2.5mB per second.
The cliffe festival (9hours 16 channels)will take approx 63 gig. get an external fw disk for that one. I would personally not trust a pc for that either.
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Post by John Bell on Mar 10, 2006 12:49:41 GMT 1
I have finally made up my mind and ordered an Apple 20" iMAC 2GHz Intel Core Duo, with a 250GB 7,200rpm internal hard drive and 1 GB memory, from Apple Store UK. It has the combined DVD/CD RW optical drive, FireWire and USB2 ports. Now getting FlightCaseWarehouse.co.uk to build me a flightcase for it. The one they made for my Mackie is great. John.
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Post by John Bell on May 5, 2006 10:52:31 GMT 1
Most of the guys from Handle With Care are coming round to my rehearsal studio tomorrow, for a jam session. This will be the first opportunity that I have had, to use the new Mackie/FireWire/iMac set-up for recording. These guys are well used to local, professional recording studio sessions, but they don't get the chance to record the whole band in one take and have to use a click track. It will be good to hear their comments on this "live" session. I have always preferred their energetic live work to their controlled, studio demo CD's. I will post how it went next week. John
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Post by John Bell on May 8, 2006 9:08:32 GMT 1
It's a good job I still had my Tascam 424mkII still set-up on the group sends. I forgot to register the Tracktion 1 software and it went into demo only mode with anti-piracy random noise generation. Still, on Sunday, I finally hooked the iMac up onto the Mackie web site and downloaded the free Tracktion 2 software upgrade and registered my license. So now, next week-end, we will have 16 track digital to play with, when the full HWC band turns up for another session. On the up side, I did get to do session drums for them, while they were working on their new material, as their drummer Lorry Fox was not available. It went very well and my old Tascam was up to the job. John.
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Post by John Bell on May 15, 2006 12:18:18 GMT 1
Apart from a shaky start, the second Handle With Care recording session, (full band) went very well on Saturday, with the upgrade Tracktion 2 software loaded. The input levels on the iMac did not reflect the trim levels of the Mackie, so I temporarily adjusted the input levels on the iMac, to be greeted with lots of overload on playback. It also appeared to jump out of record mode, during tweaking, although it still recorded. It looks like the iMac doesn't like to be fiddled with while it is in record mode. However, left alone, it happily recorded on 11 tracks for a continuous 5 hours no problem. The play back is superb. The Mackie Onyx pre-amps in the 1640 mixer via the FireWire card, the Shure Beta mics & AKG overheads, captured the drum kit so naturally. Using the software plug-in reverbs, compressors and a little EQ, that are included with Tracktion 2, the overall results were amazing, considering that it was a "live" recording session in my small rehearsal studio. Just need to read the manual now, before I carry on mixing. John.
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Post by Gary Maguire on May 20, 2006 12:27:02 GMT 1
Hi John
Sorry i couldn't make saturday, i ended up in hospital all week with my tooth (dentist done a dodgy crown 2 years ago causing an extreme abscess the size of my left side face). you need to keep your record levels down to approx. 18dB when recording in the computer to avoid digital distortion, afterwards you can just normalise to -3 on all tracks. record at 24 bit as there are far greater dynamics and recording even - 30 dB will mot make a difference once your signal has been normalised and truncated down to 16 bit for c.d..
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Post by John Bell on May 22, 2006 8:22:31 GMT 1
HI Gary, I hope that you have fully recovered. I am having trouble with editing-out the unwanted sections of the clips, prior to backing-up on DVD's. As the Tracktion software was bundled with the FireWire card and the T2 upgrade was done on-line, I do not have a hard copy manual. HWC are visiting my studio this Sat. 27/5/06, to assist with the mixing of their last recording session. I have been doing bits when I have found the time and it sounds very good. If you can come along and help, it would be gratefully appreciated. Cheers, John.
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Post by LT on May 23, 2006 13:53:36 GMT 1
John, I am lost in the world of message boards! you have my email address so probably best you mail me there. Presume we are still on for Cliffe? if anything changes or anything else i can do just give me a shout.
LT
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Post by John Bell on May 24, 2006 8:07:54 GMT 1
Hi Liam, I tried to send you this mail yesterday, but it failed. The Cliffe Music Fest 2006 is definitely on and I have been updating the message board on page 3 of Assistance Required.
Sorry I did not get back to you about the mic lead lengths, for the overheads for the brass band. If you can bring some 10mtr leads with you, we could always join a couple if we have to. I have a large storage case full of leads and mine are all colour coded to my own spec, so they won't get mixed up.
I have been busy buying more bits for the lighting rig, to make it easier to use and to rack-up the Ryger controllers and also to add more open/white Par cans to help with the videoing. Cheers, John.
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Post by soundmanjim on May 30, 2006 12:35:23 GMT 1
any news on the gig??
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