Rick Sarson
Senior Engineer
In search of fidelity
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Post by Rick Sarson on Apr 21, 2007 10:03:19 GMT 1
Any one out there been using one of these things? my experience of them seems to be that they get to low level output distortion very easily. Obviously digital gain structure is very different to analogue (I have used PM5D's, M7CL's and Digico D1's and D5's quite happily) but if I run any of the channels even slightly over minus 18 there seems to be a cumulative problem. Cheap electronics I guess? Anybody got any thoughts  |
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Post by muppet on Apr 21, 2007 21:37:08 GMT 1
the company i work for have bought 2 of these to go out with the cheaper systems. i cant say that ive seen too many problems thus far but then i havent had enough experience with them to really make a fair assessment. you are, however, not the first person ive heard complain about this kind of problem. i guess for a desk that has the features of this one to come in under 6 grand cost cutting has to occur somewhere. i may be misinformed here but i have been led to believe that it shares similar preamps with the PM5D? anyways it is definitely something i will look out for now.
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Post by soundmanjim on May 1, 2007 2:24:23 GMT 1
keep me informed here as im after one of these things!!!!
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Post by razorback on May 1, 2007 9:26:27 GMT 1
We should be getting one for the Tech Crew at uni pretty soon... can't wait! I've only ever used a 01V96 (ok and a ton of analogues) and didn't like it much LOL
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Post by soundmanjim on May 1, 2007 11:36:41 GMT 1
well let me know what its like.
does anyone know of any courses i could attend to drive digital desks? i think yamaha do one dont they?
Im pretty sure im going to need to get clued-up on digital esp after my last gig in Prague with the M7 yammy desk!!
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Post by ian hasell on May 1, 2007 11:47:56 GMT 1
Mark Payne at Sound Foundation runs courses if you are seriously thinking of buying one, also contact Yamaha and they will put you in touch with someone close to you.
Ian
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Rick Sarson
Senior Engineer
In search of fidelity
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Post by Rick Sarson on May 8, 2007 18:29:59 GMT 1
Apparently Yamaha used fixed, rather than floating, point calculation on this desk. I am insufficiently computer spoddie to know what that really means, but in real life what it means is that if you drive the channels too firmly (not even hard) then there is a cumulative problem which manifests itself as low level output distortion. Not a problem as long as you know to be gentle with it, it is a budget desk after all! By the way, it is MUCH easier to use than an 01V.
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Post by soundmanjim on Sept 20, 2007 14:24:53 GMT 1
...and easier than an m7cl too from what i hear. Used an 01 96v AND a 7CL at two gigs last week, and the big yamaha was a joy to use, and took about 1 hour of fiddling for me to get the hang of it. Just have to remember the layers fro foh and aux sends! The 96v was even simpler but got into a muddle after a while when the display went bonkers towards the end of the set, but still worked!
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Rick Sarson
Senior Engineer
In search of fidelity
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Post by Rick Sarson on Mar 8, 2008 19:41:26 GMT 1
Things are slowly swimming into focus about Yamaha digital desks. A colleague who is able to do this sort of thing informs me that the gain structure of the desk is such that minus 18 on the meters corresponds to 0db. I hope this helps?
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Post by soundmanjim on Mar 9, 2008 1:36:52 GMT 1
ahaaaaaaaaa.
that would explain a lot.
i still want one.
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Simon Ryder
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Post by Simon Ryder on Mar 10, 2008 17:49:15 GMT 1
That makes sense Rick,
gain structure when switching to dB full scale does take some getting used to.
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